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archangels ghosts and Bigfoot oh my it's

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just another night for Supernatural

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girls real stories real answers to

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life's biggest supernatural mysteries

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and now for another exciting interview

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with Errol experts in this world and

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others here's your host paranormal

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researcher Patricia Baker on the one the

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with my co-host Patricia Kirkman pique

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all the way to sunny - starts in the 70s

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Saturdays we're sorry but it's gonna

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cool down tomorrow so it's okay

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in the 50s dad for us yes wearing shorts

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you know oh okay

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mom so you just turn on that heater I

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have it on right now just to be a

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nothing right you're not easy living

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here with this weather like this right

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my driveway is impassable

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it is solid ice we're hoping to get it

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sanded sometime tomorrow somebody we can

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get out of here

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nobody has a medical emergency because

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they would die right here so what they

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could slide right down into the woods to

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you know our driveway put it this way it

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would not be safe no and if you say yeah

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you did a great big sander to make it

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happen oh yeah

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we need we need help oh they always got

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some you think we could put Kim out

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there on the job we might my dad your

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kid oh well I'm gonna have willing to

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brave you know that they've learned

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something my two little guys who I love

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we're gonna run out the front door about

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four feet and we do our business and we

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come right back in and we're done yeah

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and I've got votes for them that are

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like parkas they're heavy they're warm

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they'll care it's like just let me back

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in this is not where ever you want to be

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snow you give those shoes for them too

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you know what I'm

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I can't find the right kind of shoes now

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listeners if you know of any good shoes

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for shih tzus let me know because their

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paws are really wide and their legs are

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really thin so I can't find any shoes

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but I do have something else I have

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mushers secret which is a great product

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and it's kind of like Vaseline but it

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doesn't make a mess all over your house

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you put it on their paws and it gives

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them just like a little bit of

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insulation so that they don't stick to

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anything frozen out there so it's it's

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the best I can do for right now but if

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you listeners know of any good booties I

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could try for them just he isn't a me an

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email I don't know trying to keep them

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comfortable for their two minutes

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outside Sampo nice and they might stay

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for four I could they might they might

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indeed yeah I get could no but I'm very

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cautious with them and any kind of cold

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weather there so anyways just absolutely

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gorgeous yes well we have a really great

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show planned for tonight we may have to

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take a little bit of a detour because

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our guest has some phone trouble our

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guest is Stanley krypter doctor yes

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we've been dying to interview for like

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two years and finally he decided to come

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on the show because he has a new book

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out and it's called the shamanic powers

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of Rolling Thunder and we want to hear

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from him so but if we don't guess waters

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off and everyone talked about it he best

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call in he best and the thing is this

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I've met Rolling Thunder I've got my own

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stories and you

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piqué know somebody who was there with

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him and also has stories to tell so the

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two of us we will have stories and also

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from the book that we've read so we're

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gonna do our best to entertain all of

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you tonight

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with Rolling Thunder and who he was as a

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man as a medicine man as a shaman as a

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legend because he truly was a legend Oh

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stick I checked people through dream

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work believe it or not so we're gonna

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get to as much of that as we can this

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evening but first and flu

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most what's going on in this crazy world

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where the numbers PK well come on why

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would you consider the world to be crazy

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at all well firstly you got to remember

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that this month is all about

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communications and creativity right and

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then today on top of that it's a two

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days everybody's overly sensitive which

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can make them insensitive just as

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quickly so it's just time to sit back

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relax let it be you can't fix it don't

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worry about it do the best you can now

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let it go let it go let it go that's the

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way it's gonna work either better we'll

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get some extra information from the pups

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they know about what's happening and

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well you know you said there were gonna

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be a lot more secrets coming out and

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sensations flying back and forth

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harassment concerns and all of that and

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who knows with this Russia probe and it

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goes on and on but they don't seem to

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come up with anything so I don't know

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and then there's of course the Clinton

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situation that I hear is it's gonna be

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open season as they've been up to so

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we'll we'll see I heard from my guy on

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the inside there were many arrests all

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them the other day said where they are

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us we're waiting so we'll see what

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happens there's a lot of things taking

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place and that's what we're talking

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about the creativity the communications

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there's a lot of stuff shake rattle and

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roll out there if people are trying to

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well look at the Hollywood stars

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everybody's pointing fingers he said she

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said oh my god it's it's like a carnival

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where they got the little ducks going

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across and you get to take a pop shot

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yeah it's like a Pandora's box and it's

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open now so yeah and I didn't matter

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what somebody said oh that wasn't what

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you said that's what your attempt was

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and you're going oh please

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let's get real let's take care of the

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real people that are the pain in the

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butts let the good people get on their

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way take care of what needs to be

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happening exactly exactly this shouldn't

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be a witch hunt but it they should

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be holding people accountable but the

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whole industry has been so corrupt for

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so you know it is what it is but anyways

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but we do have a good show plan we do

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know we also have some things to talk

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about we have the Australian healthcare

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I mean skin care they are a response

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please visit their website they've got

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some incredible cream I call it super

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cream definition rename it because it is

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truly amazing and so go there okay they

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just had a big sale they may still give

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you some sale pricing on their products

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all their products are absolutely top of

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the line so take a look at that and now

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also we are offering some things yes you

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are offering neurological readings for

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people so take a look at their whole

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year to find out what's coming up every

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detail about your year based on your

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name and your birth date right they get

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to find out what's happening where

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they're going how fast they're gonna get

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there or if they'd better put the brakes

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on or what they want to avoid there you

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go that's and it'll be great advice if

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you want that from Patricia Kirkman then

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go to our website Patricia Kirkman

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dot-com and you'll be able to book a

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session with pk there and then I'm

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offering a brand new brand new

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leading-edge service and it's so cool

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and so I just started working with

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people on this and what it's what it's

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about is finding out who your spirit

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team is learning how to work with them

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so it's not just guardian angel this is

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a team from the other side it will work

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with you and so what I can tell you is

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this is something I learned from my work

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with American school that when you have

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one entity or one guiding spirit on the

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other side that's very nice that's all

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well and good however if you have an

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entire team on the other side is working

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together for your best interest for your

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highest good for your consciousness

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expansion everything happens much more

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quickly and it's the way to go so I am

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now offering sessions in this to help

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everybody who wants to do this find out

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who their team is bring that team

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together and then set the goals that

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they want to work with with that spirit

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team so that's a whole new service I'm

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offering it's against leading-edge I

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don't use anybody out there that's doing

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this I don't know of anyone that doesn't

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either and you're so good at what you do

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any opportunity people have you utilize

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this they need to check in with you well

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thank you very much it's very exciting

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work it's very powerful work so again

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you can reach me on the website

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supernatural girls with a Z comm you

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will see there is connection for me

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there with my email and there's the

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connection link for PK for her email so

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you can reach both of us very easily

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we'd love to work with you and love to

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help you in every way that we can so oh

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my goodness I just got a message that

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dr. krypter is going to call in now so

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it looks like he will be joining us

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which is great news and in the meantime

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while we're waiting for him to do that

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now we also have excuse me some great

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stories on our supernatural girls to

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check out the Facebook page like us

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follow us because we have the top of the

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line with new UFO stories right yeah

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they are everywhere these days these UFO

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you don't want to miss anything about it

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also on our Facebook page so join our

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community become a member so that you

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can follow us and follow what we are

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finding out that's going on in the world

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today and in the other world

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so yes and piqué gonna say did you want

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me to take a look at Rolling Thunder by

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his yes saying I would ever know he's

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got two names

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he was born with and now his and also

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this you found some very interesting

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talk to a gentleman named miles Howe who

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worked with Rolling Thunder back in the

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80s so I was very fortunate to get them

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additional information so his birth name

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was John Walter Polk and taking a look

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at that in his birthday this gentleman

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came into this lifetime having issues

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with the father figure but he was here

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I'm to be a part of the world at large

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he's here for the masses and that's

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exactly what he was but when you take a

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look at his name very sensitive not a

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big ego at all and very direct but he

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aspects of it but when we switched over

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to the name Rolling Thunder

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this is a man who had absolutely no ego

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at all now he was here to communicate be

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creative outgoing very into all aspects

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of what had to be taken care of without

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falter but when it came to making

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changes or communicating or what he

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offered to the world at large it was

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always about creativity communications

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and making it a higher level so I

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thought that was very interesting to

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take a look at how he dealt with things

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yes and it's so interesting that when he

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took on the name of Rolling Thunder how

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it kind of erased his ego it did so it

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even accentuated his desire to help

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others in the world and the earth that

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was his big mission and it made it so

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much easier for him creatively there was

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always something more to deal with

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when I mentioned that I ever talked to

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miles how this morning he said that he

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had a great sense of humor he said used

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to smoke a pipe all the time he said

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that the tobacco use was called Seven

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Brothers

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but he said he had a good sense of humor

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he said they were telling you the smoky

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too much so he said he was going to

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smoke

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my brother's instead that way to be less

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less to deal with but the artist giving

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some tidbits about things that he did

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which I found fascinating work anytime

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it rained he collected the water because

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he used it for making medicines and or

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plants to deal with that for himself he

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also was excuse me he had retired from

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the railroad and I didn't have any idea

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that he had been part of the railroad he

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was that's right background was from

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Oklahoma and the is all of his

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ceremonies and sunrise ceremonies were

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done daily regardless but the weather

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was amazing working for him yeah but he

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had a commute they were basically lives

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in a commune style where all Indians

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were invited even if you were just a

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smidgeon Indian you were still invited

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as part of the group

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but they would grow your own food with

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their own settings and he said they also

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had goats where they could make cheese

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and milks and whatever so they were all

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self-sufficient within the commune and

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the property I think we'll find out as

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we talk later was purchased for him by

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one of his musician groups yes it was

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Mickey Hart wasn't it yes yep amazing

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yeah I guess you have nabbed with some

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of these celebrities and we're gonna

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find out all about this from its dr.

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Crippen er who I think is now in the

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room with us so I'm gonna introduce dr.

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Crippen er and let you know a little bit

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about him because as I mentioned earlier

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dr. Crippen er to us he's like God he's

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as somebody we've wanted to talk to an

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interview for so long he's an expert in

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the paranormal and dreams one of our

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favorite things and he is also a

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professor of psychology at Saybrook

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University needs the past president of

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the Association for humanistic

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psychology he's an amazing man he's

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written many books co-authored many

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books again lots of them on dreams and

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the paranormal so we are very honored to

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have dr. Crippen er with us on the show

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tonight and everybody if you have

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questions just send them in to the chat

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room I

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and calm irn chat calm and dr. Crippen

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er welcome to the show thank you so much

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and thank you for that excellent

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introduction of our friend rolling

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thunder well you are so welcome we're so

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pleased that you made it and you're here

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with us tonight I know you've had a very

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busy and hectic schedule lately so we're

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very happy to have you here well thank

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you so much I didn't want him miss a

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chance to share stories about Rolling

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Thunder and tell your listeners why his

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message is still very important today

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you know you've not you knew him when he

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was alive for many years right I

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actually knew him more than 20 years

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right up to the time of his death and I

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had the great fortune of being in this

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very last birthday party which was held

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in Santa Cruz California and those of

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your listeners who have read our books

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about Rolling Thunder mm-hmm I think the

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voice of Rolling Thunder and the

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shamanic powers of Rolling Thunder know

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that when he had his birthday party in

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Santa Cruz California we had Denison

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meet we had succotash we had Indian

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apples we had many many traditional

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Indian foods another few days later he

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simply packed up a bluff he said I've

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got to get out of here something bad is

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going to happen and he went back to

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Nevada and wouldn't you know what the

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very next day was e Loma Prieta

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earthquake right in the area where he

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had been staying in Santa Cruz Oh for

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heaven sakes

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my god well he was somebody who was so

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tuned in to the earth to the animals and

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to people right I mean he knew how to

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read people to but that's amazing he

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knew that something bad was coming and

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it was that earthquake oh my gosh amazed

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you're right that's a good

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were to use he said he was tuned in he

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doesn't claim that he was a prophet or

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could see as of the future he said it's

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just a matter of tuning in and talking

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to the animals listening to the birds

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giving a feel for the earth and the

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water and the wind and they know what's

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going to happen before we do in human to

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nature helps you to forecast well he was

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an incredible legend as as you mentioned

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his legend his legendary presence still

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is felt by many people in dreams and in

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other states of consciousness but

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certainly he was remarkable and what he

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was able to do let's start with his name

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Rolling Thunder he was able to call

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forth thunder and lightning and rain

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storms right well he surely had that

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reputation and in our book the shamanic

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powers of Rolling Thunder we tell the

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story of Larry Dossey who's a very

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well-known physician and he was at

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Rolling Thunder in Dallas Texas and a

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newspaper reporter came to hear roaring

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snide and that's the article about

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Rolling Thunder LA yeah Rolling Thunder

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phoned him at the office and he said I

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guess if you don't believe in the Native

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American ways and the newspaper reporter

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said oh I just don't believe in nonsense

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and superstition and belief I said just

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alert your newspaper there's something

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that's going to happen in the next 24

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hours and the Sooners ruling Thunder

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left town

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there was raining thunder and lightning

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there was a summer storm that never

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occurs in Dallas Texas at that time of

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year

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and so Rolling Thunder was right but you

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think the newspaper reporter II wounded

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article about us in the newspaper no he

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doesn't

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oh that's stinker that's no fair no it's

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not fair but but Larry Dossey and others

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recorded it and so it's not a matter of

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history exact music exactly and he

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that's one of the things he was known

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for I remember when he came to Hartford

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Connecticut

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many years ago and there were

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thunderstorms for three days before he

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got there and for three days after he

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left and again that's what I was told he

449
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said you can expect this and sure enough

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mm-hmm that's what he brought before we

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even got there we were getting ready

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from the naiton Nature was responding to

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his his power and his energy and he was

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a very commanding presence I'll never

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forget meeting him he was just power

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personified but as PK mentioned no ego

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just mm-hmm very powerful yes indeed and

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he knew how to control his power and to

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use it for positive things like healing

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people and making crops grow because

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when you have that amount of power it's

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very eager it's very easy to let your

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ego get the best of you it has no off

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the Rolling Thunder never showed off he

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just used the power for very positive

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things that's wonderful yes it was

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amazing just amazing it the other thing

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that I recall when I met him that time

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and he was lecturing there and in

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Hartford somebody brought me over to the

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window now we were high up in one of the

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high-rise buildings where he was about

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to speak but that they said look outside

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and looked outside and there were

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coyotes on the sidewalk in Hartford

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Connecticut oh my god and I know that

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was one of the animals that he was very

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close to and as you talked about in the

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book

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he was able to communicate very easily

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with them and I didn't know any of this

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you know when I met him but I was amazed

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when I saw those coyotes walking down

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the sidewalk right outside the building

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where he was just oh you were the voice

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of Rolling Thunder I tell the story

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about how when I visited Rolling Thunder

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one night he took me off to the very

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edge of the woods where his property

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ends and were the woods begins and he

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started to hoot and he started the bark

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and I was not surprised at anything that

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he would do but what he was actually up

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to is to call the Coyotes out of the

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woods came a pack of coyotes and they

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came very close to her so close I could

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have reached out and touched them well

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so the pack started the conversation

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with Rolling Thunder and they spoke

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barks yelps back on the fourth with each

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other for oh I would say four or five

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minutes and then I went back into the

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woods and I said Rolling Thunder what

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was that all about

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he said well of his renewing our

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contract we have promised that we will

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not kill any of the coyote and in

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exchange they say they will not raise

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our chicken coop and killing of our

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chickens and we're the only farmer out

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here that the Coyotes leave alone and

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we've never had a chicken loss of the

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Coyotes not be damn credible just

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incredible again that's an amazing

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ability that he had we say it's amazing

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but to him this was just the natural way

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of boozing or yeah it's just phenomenal

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when you think about the things that he

519
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was able to achieve yes yes it was

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amazing and he's certainly missed there

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are what now listen I'm just take this

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off for a second dr. Krueger because I

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knew I was lucky blessed enough to be

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introduced to a number of Medicine

525
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ocean of festivals and also who's in

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your book who gave a wonderful testament

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to Rolling Thunder mm-hmm

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slow turtle Philip dear mad bear

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Anderson these people and just again

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they walked their talk they were

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powerful people and they were here to

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help us but since their passing I have

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yet to meet anybody who can even come

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close to what they were able to do and

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how they walked on this planet so I

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don't know maybe I haven't met the right

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people yet but what do you think about

538
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that well you know you talk about the

539
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celebrated people who he met Buckminster

540
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Fuller the inventor of the geodesic dome

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and famous author and philosopher and

542
00:26:22,180 --> 00:26:19,070
architect actually this is a grueling

543
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:22,190
thunder stamp because he wanted to see

544
00:26:28,510 --> 00:26:26,690
the domes that had been erected and he

545
00:26:31,930 --> 00:26:28,520
was really very pleased that they have

546
00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:31,940
taken his model and they had built the

547
00:26:38,020 --> 00:26:34,370
domes out of a type of plastic called

548
00:26:43,090 --> 00:26:38,030
mylar plastic because an artist by the

549
00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:43,100
name of Christophe and a commissioned to

550
00:26:50,260 --> 00:26:46,310
do a ribbon of mylar plastic across

551
00:26:52,930 --> 00:26:50,270
Sonoma County in California and it was

552
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:52,940
so beautiful they had to have guards

553
00:26:59,230 --> 00:26:57,440
standing every few yards to keep people

554
00:27:02,710 --> 00:26:59,240
from stealing the plastic such was

555
00:27:05,290 --> 00:27:02,720
service silver happy times okay it's

556
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:05,300
very exquisite now when they finally

557
00:27:14,530 --> 00:27:11,170
finish the art show after several months

558
00:27:17,260 --> 00:27:14,540
Christophe gave Rolling Thunder a lot of

559
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:17,270
that by law plastic and that's what he

560
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:19,520
used to construct the domes on his

561
00:27:26,590 --> 00:27:23,810
property in the other way oh what a

562
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:26,600
wonderful gift from mr. fuller that's

563
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:32,090
incredible and those don't kept those

564
00:27:37,420 --> 00:27:34,610
he's out in the summer and kept the heat

565
00:27:40,210 --> 00:27:37,430
in in the wintertime it was just

566
00:27:44,530 --> 00:27:40,220
they needed for a comfortable living

567
00:27:47,050 --> 00:27:44,540
place amazing and that's what he set out

568
00:27:49,210 --> 00:27:47,060
to do is create a new community that

569
00:27:50,860 --> 00:27:49,220
that would be self-sustaining and he was

570
00:27:54,220 --> 00:27:50,870
successful when now he had a lot of

571
00:27:57,580 --> 00:27:54,230
support people around him that that did

572
00:27:59,710 --> 00:27:57,590
support his idea and and came to help I

573
00:28:01,420 --> 00:27:59,720
mean I know and I met him he had a troop

574
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:01,430
with him there were a lot of people with

575
00:28:06,220 --> 00:28:02,810
him that had trapped it actually

576
00:28:07,810 --> 00:28:06,230
traveled with him so anyways it's just

577
00:28:09,670 --> 00:28:07,820
been remarkable now I have a question

578
00:28:12,130 --> 00:28:09,680
for you dr. Crippen er from the chat

579
00:28:14,650 --> 00:28:12,140
room from Patrice who's asking who or

580
00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:14,660
what did Rolling Thunder credit his

581
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:21,710
powers to he never made that big issue

582
00:28:30,610 --> 00:28:27,050
of it and he never tried to persuade

583
00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:30,620
people to come but he had actors like

584
00:28:36,130 --> 00:28:33,310
Candice Bergen and Jane Fonda comes him

585
00:28:41,020 --> 00:28:36,140
with their film cruisers so that they

586
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:41,030
could film the beautiful domes the name

587
00:28:46,690 --> 00:28:43,370
of the community was never party which

588
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:46,700
means go in peace and he was devoting up

589
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:51,530
to peaceful ways of living and he taught

590
00:28:57,250 --> 00:28:54,290
people how the arbitrates disagreements

591
00:29:00,580 --> 00:28:57,260
they never had any long fights or

592
00:29:02,890 --> 00:29:00,590
rivalries at the camp and he had people

593
00:29:05,710 --> 00:29:02,900
there free literally from all over the

594
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:05,720
world sometimes there were 50 people

595
00:29:10,210 --> 00:29:07,370
there sometimes there were hundred

596
00:29:12,220 --> 00:29:10,220
people there sometimes they stayed for a

597
00:29:15,130 --> 00:29:12,230
few days sometimes they stayed for a few

598
00:29:18,130 --> 00:29:15,140
years but they all got something out of

599
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:18,140
the experience and to this day they tell

600
00:29:23,530 --> 00:29:20,210
me about what they learned that mettaton

601
00:29:26,890 --> 00:29:23,540
tea and how that has been so helpful in

602
00:29:30,340 --> 00:29:26,900
providing balance to their life that's

603
00:29:32,590 --> 00:29:30,350
amazing again his rich continues even to

604
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:32,600
this day well we're going to take a very

605
00:29:36,550 --> 00:29:35,210
short commercial break everybody and

606
00:29:39,130 --> 00:29:36,560
we're going to come back and I'm gonna

607
00:29:41,230 --> 00:29:39,140
follow up on Patrice's question because

608
00:29:43,330 --> 00:29:41,240
I have an additional question to

609
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:43,340
Patrice's that we're going to find out a

610
00:29:49,270 --> 00:29:45,890
little bit more about rolling thunders

611
00:29:50,980 --> 00:29:49,280
lineage and where he got these abilities

612
00:29:55,060 --> 00:29:50,990
he's amazing

613
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:55,070
abilities that he used so judiciously so

614
00:30:00,280 --> 00:29:57,200
anyways everybody you are listening to

615
00:30:00,820 --> 00:30:00,290
supernatural girls radio we'll be right

616
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:00,830
back

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00:30:09,580 --> 00:30:05,450
Girls radio I'm your host Patricia Baker

618
00:30:11,980 --> 00:30:09,590
I am here with my co-host PK and we are

619
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:11,990
here with our illustrious guest tonight

620
00:30:17,260 --> 00:30:14,960
and his name is dr. Stanley krepner he's

621
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:17,270
the author and co-author of this new

622
00:30:22,570 --> 00:30:20,090
book shamanic powers of Rolling Thunder

623
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:22,580
and we were talking about this man is

624
00:30:27,790 --> 00:30:25,520
truly a legend truly a legend and now we

625
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:27,800
had a question dr. Crippen ER right

626
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:31,010
before the break from patrice about who

627
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:35,840
or what did Rolling Thunder credit with

628
00:30:40,419 --> 00:30:37,850
his powers where did his powers come

629
00:30:43,450 --> 00:30:40,429
from do is that something he felt came

630
00:30:45,970 --> 00:30:43,460
from his lineage from his father

631
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:45,980
grandfather mother grandmother did it

632
00:30:53,910 --> 00:30:49,370
come from something in his own line well

633
00:30:58,770 --> 00:30:53,920
he did have some noted healers in his

634
00:31:02,140 --> 00:30:58,780
ancestry but to tell you the truth he

635
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:02,150
really worked very hard on developing

636
00:31:12,220 --> 00:31:08,110
his powers himself for example he was

637
00:31:16,860 --> 00:31:12,230
not 100% sure he because he had some

638
00:31:24,150 --> 00:31:16,870
Caucasian ancestry but he was more

639
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:27,549
actually studied the whole Cherokee way

640
00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:32,000
of healing but he also studied a number

641
00:31:41,530 --> 00:31:36,110
of other medicine traditions and he said

642
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:41,540
that he could go back and forth with six

643
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:45,290
different Native American medical

644
00:31:50,169 --> 00:31:47,809
systems and each of them came from

645
00:31:53,250 --> 00:31:50,179
different parts of the country so each

646
00:32:01,150 --> 00:31:53,260
of them had their own special type of

647
00:32:04,210 --> 00:32:01,160
herbs and one time I visited his his

648
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:04,220
trailer that he had been given and then

649
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:04,850
the tray

650
00:32:13,090 --> 00:32:09,370
all of the herbs were put in boxes or

651
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:13,100
Google cloth sacks and they were

652
00:32:18,999 --> 00:32:16,610
identified and he knew which every one

653
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:19,009
of those herbs could be used for and

654
00:32:25,659 --> 00:32:22,130
those herbs came from different

655
00:32:29,499 --> 00:32:25,669
different traditions he had a lot of

656
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:29,509
Shoshone connections and the great deal

657
00:32:36,269 --> 00:32:31,279
of a Shoshone herbs

658
00:32:42,570 --> 00:32:36,279
he also Apache connections so he had

659
00:32:48,669 --> 00:32:42,580
command of a lot of different medicine

660
00:32:51,490 --> 00:32:48,679
systems but also he had Chinese doctor

661
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:51,500
friends who had left him Chinese herbs

662
00:32:57,820 --> 00:32:53,450
had told them how to use the Chinese

663
00:33:00,299 --> 00:32:57,830
herbs and then he had Western medical

664
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:00,309
friends and they gave him some

665
00:33:05,889 --> 00:33:03,200
pharmaceutical samples of Western

666
00:33:09,730 --> 00:33:05,899
medicine and told him how he could use

667
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:09,740
those and he once told me you know I

668
00:33:15,009 --> 00:33:12,559
don't care what the herb is what the

669
00:33:19,180 --> 00:33:15,019
medicine is as long as it helps people

670
00:33:20,889 --> 00:33:19,190
I'm happy to use it wonderful so it was

671
00:33:23,499 --> 00:33:20,899
very well-versed in many different

672
00:33:26,409 --> 00:33:23,509
traditions now there's a story in the

673
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:26,419
book that's quite remarkable about a

674
00:33:32,830 --> 00:33:28,850
young boy that was brought in with a

675
00:33:35,740 --> 00:33:32,840
very deep wound and he was able to heal

676
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:35,750
it like in a matter of what minutes I

677
00:33:40,659 --> 00:33:38,090
mean it's just incredible story can you

678
00:33:43,090 --> 00:33:40,669
tell us that you know that yeah that was

679
00:33:45,490 --> 00:33:43,100
quite a story and that was witnessed by

680
00:33:50,430 --> 00:33:45,500
several people so you can't say that it

681
00:33:53,230 --> 00:33:50,440
was made up actually the full story is

682
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:53,240
that's when Rowling father gave a

683
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:56,570
lecture for the Edgar Cayce people at

684
00:34:02,080 --> 00:33:58,240
Virginia Beach Virginia

685
00:34:04,539 --> 00:34:02,090
they wanted to bring in two young boys

686
00:34:07,810 --> 00:34:04,549
who were not able to go to school they

687
00:34:09,899 --> 00:34:07,820
were so sick and so Rolling Thunder had

688
00:34:13,359 --> 00:34:09,909
a friend of mine go and get some

689
00:34:16,419 --> 00:34:13,369
beefsteak and he was going to use two

690
00:34:18,580 --> 00:34:16,429
pieces of beefsteak in the healing so

691
00:34:23,500 --> 00:34:18,590
the night came for the healing

692
00:34:27,240 --> 00:34:23,510
and he had both of the boys cops and he

693
00:34:31,810 --> 00:34:27,250
went to the first boy and he put the

694
00:34:36,430 --> 00:34:31,820
beefsteak underneath the cot and then he

695
00:34:41,620 --> 00:34:36,440
took out his eagle feathers and he

696
00:34:44,620 --> 00:34:41,630
started the Pope on the boy and started

697
00:34:48,490 --> 00:34:44,630
to give the boy some energy and the boy

698
00:34:51,940 --> 00:34:48,500
was saying I already feel better and

699
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:51,950
then that's beef steak underneath the

700
00:35:00,250 --> 00:34:57,650
cop began to smoke and the smoke covered

701
00:35:09,370 --> 00:35:00,260
the boy and the smoke actually took the

702
00:35:12,490 --> 00:35:09,380
form of a wolf and you know the smoke

703
00:35:14,890 --> 00:35:12,500
went out and the boys out dinner and the

704
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:14,900
next week the boy was back in school for

705
00:35:24,580 --> 00:35:18,770
the first time in years came for the

706
00:35:29,290 --> 00:35:24,590
second boy and the smoke started to come

707
00:35:32,170 --> 00:35:29,300
up and then the true Surtur's petered

708
00:35:35,350 --> 00:35:32,180
out and the in Rolling Thunder said you

709
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:35,360
know that boy's mother will not let me

710
00:35:44,140 --> 00:35:40,370
heal her son oh my school she'll be all

711
00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:44,150
alone she have any company and as long

712
00:35:50,290 --> 00:35:47,230
as he's sick she's in control of him and

713
00:35:53,290 --> 00:35:50,300
she'll have somebody at home to talk to

714
00:35:56,830 --> 00:35:53,300
and she won't feel alone well can you

715
00:35:59,740 --> 00:35:56,840
imagine a mother who would be so selfish

716
00:36:02,020 --> 00:35:59,750
as to not let her son be healed but

717
00:36:04,660 --> 00:36:02,030
rolling feather said her energy is just

718
00:36:07,690 --> 00:36:04,670
too strong and she's keeping the son

719
00:36:10,990 --> 00:36:07,700
from being healed so people have a

720
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:11,000
chance to see two different varieties of

721
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:14,480
mother love once was a giving type of

722
00:36:19,570 --> 00:36:16,970
lover the one was a taking type of love

723
00:36:23,110 --> 00:36:19,580
and the giving love help the boy gets

724
00:36:27,370 --> 00:36:23,120
cured and the taking love kept the boy

725
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:27,380
as a little envelope that is an amazing

726
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:30,800
story isn't that sad and but also it

727
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:32,330
says a lot about rolling

728
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,880
thunder was able to discern this right

729
00:36:39,970 --> 00:36:37,040
yeah I mean he was able to figure this

730
00:36:42,220 --> 00:36:39,980
out immediately and then there was

731
00:36:45,370 --> 00:36:42,230
another story in the book about this

732
00:36:50,370 --> 00:36:45,380
little boy that had this I guess very

733
00:36:53,620 --> 00:36:50,380
serious deep into the muscle wound then

734
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:53,630
again the mist came back and you tell us

735
00:36:58,300 --> 00:36:55,250
about that because the mist showed up

736
00:37:09,070 --> 00:36:58,310
again the smoke and he used a seagull

737
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:09,080
feather oh good heavens yes the you've

738
00:37:17,860 --> 00:37:11,330
got to give me a clue because I'm trying

739
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:17,870
to see go feather and he kept waving it

740
00:37:25,630 --> 00:37:21,170
over this very deep wound this amazed me

741
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:25,640
in the book waving it over and it just

742
00:37:31,170 --> 00:37:28,370
kept it just like healed before

743
00:37:36,070 --> 00:37:31,180
everybody's eyes until it was just pink

744
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:36,080
healthy skin left over this wound yes a

745
00:37:43,540 --> 00:37:38,810
the Rolling Thunder was very close to

746
00:37:45,820 --> 00:37:43,550
Eagles and he felt that eagle feathers

747
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:45,830
has a great deal of healing property in

748
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:49,490
them and sure enough the he used that

749
00:37:54,730 --> 00:37:52,370
eagle feather and passion over the boys

750
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:54,740
wound he had been injured in some sort

751
00:38:00,570 --> 00:37:57,290
of a sports event and right before

752
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:00,580
everybody's eyes the wound healed up

753
00:38:05,620 --> 00:38:03,410
that's just incredible and it happened

754
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:05,630
just in a very short period of time

755
00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:09,920
that's unheard of he was a shapeshifter

756
00:38:14,860 --> 00:38:12,110
that he could turn himself into

757
00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:14,870
different shapes one of his favorite

758
00:38:21,130 --> 00:38:18,110
shapes is the eagle and he said that he

759
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:21,140
could turn himself into an eagle and fly

760
00:38:27,550 --> 00:38:24,770
around the skies and he would stop and

761
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:27,560
he would ask other eagles what was going

762
00:38:35,230 --> 00:38:32,450
on down below and he could cover a lot

763
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:35,240
of distance that way and that's sort of

764
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:38,000
how he got his news about the condition

765
00:38:43,060 --> 00:38:41,090
that the earth was in incredible you

766
00:38:45,610 --> 00:38:43,070
know you must be psychic dr. Crippin er

767
00:38:48,850 --> 00:38:45,620
because that was the next question

768
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:48,860
from from the chat room was from Katniss

769
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:51,170
it was just about what you you answered

770
00:38:56,980 --> 00:38:54,110
about his shape-shifting abilities so

771
00:39:02,160 --> 00:38:56,990
that's an incredible coincidence I would

772
00:39:04,810 --> 00:39:02,170
say oh yes well Rolling Thunder

773
00:39:07,420 --> 00:39:04,820
also has a bit pretty good sense of

774
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:07,430
humor as you said and you talked out

775
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:09,650
Mickey Hart of the Grateful Dead and

776
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:11,930
Mickey Hart and the Grateful Dead are

777
00:39:17,380 --> 00:39:14,000
still playing under the name doesn't

778
00:39:19,690 --> 00:39:17,390
company and one day I got a phone call

779
00:39:22,570 --> 00:39:19,700
from Mickey Hart saying that he'd seen

780
00:39:26,590 --> 00:39:22,580
Rolling Thunder on collecting herbs on

781
00:39:29,740 --> 00:39:26,600
his field outside his ranch and he was

782
00:39:31,810 --> 00:39:29,750
going to prepare a dinner for him so my

783
00:39:34,930 --> 00:39:31,820
wife and I went up for dinner but the

784
00:39:39,460 --> 00:39:34,940
Rolling Thunder didn't show up and I

785
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:39,470
said to Mickey you know let me just

786
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:45,110
phone rolling thunders ranch and and see

787
00:39:52,540 --> 00:39:48,910
if he is there and we phoned his ranch

788
00:39:56,110 --> 00:39:52,550
and sure enough Rolling Thunder came to

789
00:39:58,930 --> 00:39:56,120
the phone and then Mickey sort of

790
00:40:01,060 --> 00:39:58,940
spoiled my surprise he said Rolling

791
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:01,070
Thunder how could you be at the ranch I

792
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:03,890
saw you picking herbs this morning you

793
00:40:08,110 --> 00:40:05,930
see I had intended to ask Rolling

794
00:40:11,590 --> 00:40:08,120
Thunder what were you doing at 10

795
00:40:14,170 --> 00:40:11,600
o'clock this morning none of you that

796
00:40:16,750 --> 00:40:14,180
well I was collecting herbs on Nicky's

797
00:40:18,670 --> 00:40:16,760
ranch that was a pretty good

798
00:40:22,090 --> 00:40:18,680
demonstration that he turned himself

799
00:40:27,580 --> 00:40:22,100
into an eagle but Mickey was so excited

800
00:40:30,250 --> 00:40:27,590
that he just blew the story so what was

801
00:40:32,770 --> 00:40:30,260
Rolling Thunder to say he said well you

802
00:40:35,530 --> 00:40:32,780
know I have somebody here I'm doctoring

803
00:40:37,450 --> 00:40:35,540
and he needed some special herbs and I

804
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:37,460
knew that you had those herbs on your

805
00:40:40,990 --> 00:40:38,210
wrath

806
00:40:44,530 --> 00:40:41,000
so I just shape-shifted myself into an

807
00:40:47,260 --> 00:40:44,540
eagle eye when I picked up the herbs I

808
00:40:51,460 --> 00:40:47,270
brought them back and the guy that I'm

809
00:40:53,310 --> 00:40:51,470
doctor is doing fine now amazing so now

810
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:53,320
you gotta tell everybody the the

811
00:40:59,079 --> 00:40:57,530
distance involved where were you guys as

812
00:41:01,359 --> 00:40:59,089
opposed to where this

813
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:01,369
ranches in Nevada how many hundreds of

814
00:41:11,229 --> 00:41:06,729
miles away was that oh yes his ranches

815
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:11,239
moved to Sebastopol actually because

816
00:41:17,019 --> 00:41:15,200
I've actually been the three different

817
00:41:20,469 --> 00:41:17,029
ranches of his and they keep getting

818
00:41:23,170 --> 00:41:20,479
bigger and bigger as he now he has a

819
00:41:26,259 --> 00:41:23,180
ranch this actually has horses on it and

820
00:41:28,930 --> 00:41:26,269
so he can go horseback riding too bad

821
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:28,940
that Rolling Thunder didn't live to see

822
00:41:35,019 --> 00:41:32,930
that ranch but Mickey is out touring

823
00:41:38,650 --> 00:41:35,029
with the musicians so often that he

824
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:38,660
doesn't get much of a chance to spend on

825
00:41:46,289 --> 00:41:41,450
his ranch even though it's a very very

826
00:41:51,969 --> 00:41:46,299
very beautiful place but Rolling Thunder

827
00:41:55,029 --> 00:41:51,979
actually is connected to me through

828
00:41:59,849 --> 00:41:55,039
Mickey Hart because I met Mickey Hart of

829
00:42:03,390 --> 00:41:59,859
the party and Mickey Hart wanted to

830
00:42:07,779 --> 00:42:03,400
introduce me to Rolling Thunder and so

831
00:42:10,989 --> 00:42:07,789
one time when I was available

832
00:42:15,279 --> 00:42:10,999
he flew Rolling Thunder from the data in

833
00:42:19,989 --> 00:42:15,289
a private plane and the grateful that

834
00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:19,999
were performing in San Francisco and the

835
00:42:26,049 --> 00:42:22,609
intermission who should I see walking

836
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:26,059
down the aisle that this very strong and

837
00:42:32,910 --> 00:42:28,729
powerful Native American guy with a

838
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:35,769
you must be Rolling Thunder and he said

839
00:42:43,390 --> 00:42:39,170
yes you must be dr. Crippen er that is

840
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:43,400
how we met well you bring up an another

841
00:42:49,660 --> 00:42:45,890
very interesting chapter in the book

842
00:42:51,940 --> 00:42:49,670
from ocean of festivals that he liked

843
00:42:55,690 --> 00:42:51,950
the ladies and that's the name of the

844
00:42:56,890 --> 00:42:55,700
chapter so he he did have a fine eye for

845
00:42:59,920 --> 00:42:56,900
ladies did he not

846
00:43:08,219 --> 00:42:59,930
oh yes people have to read the book to

847
00:43:12,730 --> 00:43:10,390
unlike what you hear today

848
00:43:15,099 --> 00:43:12,740
Rolling Thunder never

849
00:43:18,839 --> 00:43:15,109
took advantage of women the Rolling

850
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:18,849
Thunder never was gross or crass or

851
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:23,089
pushy with women he always treated them

852
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:26,089
with great respect and I think that's

853
00:43:31,540 --> 00:43:28,089
why they liked him in return

854
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:31,550
mm-hmm and on top of that all Rolling

855
00:43:39,730 --> 00:43:34,210
Thunder was very devoted to his wife's

856
00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:39,740
spotted thong and spotted thong was an

857
00:43:44,530 --> 00:43:42,710
excellent cook and at metha Tati the

858
00:43:49,690 --> 00:43:44,540
spiritual community that they head

859
00:43:52,930 --> 00:43:49,700
together she was in charge of the

860
00:43:56,589 --> 00:43:52,940
kitchen and she knew how they make the

861
00:43:59,620 --> 00:43:56,599
most delicious Indian dishes and passed

862
00:44:03,990 --> 00:43:59,630
on that skill whoo the people who stayed

863
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:04,000
there and then when the Rolling Thunder

864
00:44:10,260 --> 00:44:06,880
called me one day and said that his wife

865
00:44:14,799 --> 00:44:10,270
spotted thought was very very sick I

866
00:44:19,450 --> 00:44:14,809
came to help her out by hypnotizing her

867
00:44:21,730 --> 00:44:19,460
to reduce the pain and ruling father had

868
00:44:23,410 --> 00:44:21,740
paid a lot of money to have healers

869
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,420
through the three from all over the

870
00:44:27,339 --> 00:44:25,520
country come and help her out and of

871
00:44:29,650 --> 00:44:27,349
course I didn't charge anything I just

872
00:44:32,410 --> 00:44:29,660
thought that I could be of service and

873
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:32,420
the Rolling Thunder later told me that

874
00:44:36,579 --> 00:44:34,250
I'd been more helpful than any of the

875
00:44:40,059 --> 00:44:36,589
healers and he'd paid thousands of

876
00:44:41,950 --> 00:44:40,069
dollars to come and I was just doing it

877
00:44:44,849 --> 00:44:41,960
out of the goodness of my heart because

878
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:44,859
spotted father was such a beautiful

879
00:44:50,770 --> 00:44:49,359
beautiful woman and when she passed

880
00:44:54,430 --> 00:44:50,780
Rolling Thunder

881
00:44:56,650 --> 00:44:54,440
went into the Great Depression and then

882
00:44:58,240 --> 00:44:56,660
his spiritual community really didn't

883
00:45:05,200 --> 00:44:58,250
last much longer than that

884
00:45:09,730 --> 00:45:05,210
and so for ten years mettaton tea was

885
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:09,740
doing very very well as long as spotted

886
00:45:15,970 --> 00:45:11,930
fawn was alive I always thought that she

887
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:15,980
was the heart of mellotoxin so it sounds

888
00:45:20,890 --> 00:45:19,040
like yes I think a lot of time lek tree

889
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:20,900
doing workshops and all the money

890
00:45:26,860 --> 00:45:24,319
hearings came for the up heap of mother

891
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:26,870
potty so that he could have a

892
00:45:33,970 --> 00:45:31,490
a model community so in our book we have

893
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:33,980
many many stories about methyl Ponte and

894
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:36,770
the purse

895
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:40,370
maybe someday somebody will have the

896
00:45:45,460 --> 00:45:43,040
money and the time and the land to do

897
00:45:48,850 --> 00:45:45,470
something similar in terms of teaching

898
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:48,860
people Native American wisdom Native

899
00:45:54,670 --> 00:45:52,310
American herbs Native American medicine

900
00:45:57,940 --> 00:45:54,680
all the things that Rolling Thunder

901
00:46:00,490 --> 00:45:57,950
tried to teach that would be a wonderful

902
00:46:02,380 --> 00:46:00,500
thing a wonderful gift if that happened

903
00:46:04,540 --> 00:46:02,390
but and you know what you're talking

904
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:04,550
about is interesting too because being a

905
00:46:08,890 --> 00:46:07,370
medicine man does not mean that you

906
00:46:11,470 --> 00:46:08,900
don't have tragedy in your life he

907
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:11,480
certainly did have tragedy in his life

908
00:46:17,830 --> 00:46:14,090
when he lost his first wife and child in

909
00:46:21,370 --> 00:46:17,840
a fire and then his second wife who was

910
00:46:23,710 --> 00:46:21,380
so beloved so there again there was just

911
00:46:26,170 --> 00:46:23,720
it doesn't mean because you're a shaman

912
00:46:27,790 --> 00:46:26,180
or your medicine person that you don't

913
00:46:29,830 --> 00:46:27,800
have things happen like that in your

914
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:29,840
life there's still challenges to face

915
00:46:35,530 --> 00:46:32,570
and that last one with his wife who

916
00:46:37,090 --> 00:46:35,540
passed they did bring him to his knees

917
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:37,100
that's for sure and it did affect the

918
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:40,690
community greatly and not a good way oh

919
00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:44,800
yes here your apps absolutely right and

920
00:46:53,470 --> 00:46:49,310
while he was on the sacred lamb never

921
00:46:56,020 --> 00:46:53,480
Ponte in Nevada he had bought the lab

922
00:46:59,050 --> 00:46:56,030
and he got a treat because there was no

923
00:47:01,420 --> 00:46:59,060
water on the land and so he determined

924
00:47:05,350 --> 00:47:01,430
that he was going to find a spring of

925
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:05,360
water and he took his dozing sticks and

926
00:47:12,340 --> 00:47:09,050
he went around the land and when the

927
00:47:14,830 --> 00:47:12,350
thousand six went down he had his people

928
00:47:16,420 --> 00:47:14,840
dig and sure enough they found a spring

929
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:16,430
of water even though there was not

930
00:47:22,780 --> 00:47:20,960
supposed to be water there a few months

931
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:22,790
later he went to the other end of the

932
00:47:29,950 --> 00:47:26,960
property and took 2006 again and were

933
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:29,960
the thousand six went down they found

934
00:47:34,290 --> 00:47:33,290
another spring of water so he had water

935
00:47:39,210 --> 00:47:34,300
on both

936
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:39,220
of his property and both of those had

937
00:47:45,690 --> 00:47:42,610
been on his very very first try I was

938
00:47:49,170 --> 00:47:45,700
actually out of the lab and if he would

939
00:47:50,910 --> 00:47:49,180
have tried to dig five or six or seven

940
00:47:53,010 --> 00:47:50,920
holes I would have seen them

941
00:47:55,530 --> 00:47:53,020
though he knew right where the water was

942
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:55,540
on the very first try and he found

943
00:48:02,070 --> 00:47:58,240
enough spring water to keep his whole

944
00:48:04,170 --> 00:48:02,080
community from getting thirsty at all so

945
00:48:08,220 --> 00:48:04,180
that could be used for cooking and for

946
00:48:09,870 --> 00:48:08,230
washing that's very amazing you know

947
00:48:12,270 --> 00:48:09,880
right out in the desert like that to be

948
00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:12,280
able to find water and again you know

949
00:48:17,010 --> 00:48:14,110
it's something I'm gonna go back PK to

950
00:48:19,740 --> 00:48:17,020
what you said about he had no ego right

951
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:19,750
and and so he had he must have had that

952
00:48:26,210 --> 00:48:22,000
direct connection to source to be able

953
00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:26,220
to do these things right dr. krypter

954
00:48:36,380 --> 00:48:30,510
well he was not a name-dropper

955
00:48:43,710 --> 00:48:40,470
some of his visitors Bob Dylan visited

956
00:48:46,050 --> 00:48:43,720
Rolling Thunder because Bob Dylan liked

957
00:48:49,490 --> 00:48:46,060
the early sunrise services the throbbing

958
00:48:52,110 --> 00:48:49,500
Thunder did early in the morning and

959
00:48:54,990 --> 00:48:52,120
Rolling Thunder never made a big deal

960
00:48:57,660 --> 00:48:55,000
out of that even though Bob Dylan once

961
00:49:01,110 --> 00:48:57,670
had a touring show called the Rolling

962
00:49:03,810 --> 00:49:01,120
Thunder revue and rolling saucer was

963
00:49:07,620 --> 00:49:03,820
always advised to come to those shows

964
00:49:10,290 --> 00:49:07,630
and serve on the stage and one time he

965
00:49:14,940 --> 00:49:10,300
was in Manhattan and the driver was

966
00:49:17,550 --> 00:49:14,950
driving too fast and the police arrested

967
00:49:20,810 --> 00:49:17,560
them and he said why are you going so

968
00:49:31,790 --> 00:49:20,820
fast and the Rolling Thunder said well

969
00:49:37,830 --> 00:49:35,160
the guest passes and the ruling and then

970
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:37,840
the police officers okay I can believe

971
00:49:46,290 --> 00:49:40,450
you the other get for you those want to

972
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:46,300
be late so off they went oh that's so

973
00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:47,890
funny goodness

974
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:50,710
now here's my question also this is this

975
00:49:54,269 --> 00:49:51,970
is from Katy

976
00:49:57,599 --> 00:49:54,279
dr. Crippen er and Katy's asking did

977
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:57,609
doctors ever study him his brain to see

978
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:00,640
if he had any unusual activity in areas

979
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:07,170
that are not common for most people well

980
00:50:15,420 --> 00:50:12,480
there were always unusual activities but

981
00:50:22,979 --> 00:50:15,430
living at methyl Ponte his spiritual

982
00:50:26,130 --> 00:50:22,989
community was really more like daily

983
00:50:28,019 --> 00:50:26,140
ordinary living and learning from the

984
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:28,029
animals learning from the weather

985
00:50:36,269 --> 00:50:30,160
learning from Rolling Thunder who would

986
00:50:38,999 --> 00:50:36,279
give talks and he was not one to show

987
00:50:41,029 --> 00:50:39,009
off like pointing up to the sky and

988
00:50:44,849 --> 00:50:41,039
bringing down a bolt of lightning

989
00:50:47,279 --> 00:50:44,859
when these pants happened he just

990
00:50:51,180 --> 00:50:47,289
happened in the ordinary context of

991
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:51,190
happening and I always tried to get

992
00:50:56,249 --> 00:50:53,130
Rolling Thunder to write his own book

993
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:56,259
and you know he was just so modest he

994
00:51:02,069 --> 00:50:58,450
said well that sounds like I'm bragging

995
00:51:03,479 --> 00:51:02,079
and boasting and I still wish he would

996
00:51:06,359 --> 00:51:03,489
have written his own book or had

997
00:51:09,989 --> 00:51:06,369
somebody write up for him but the next

998
00:51:12,779 --> 00:51:09,999
best thing that we could do was to work

999
00:51:16,739 --> 00:51:12,789
with his grandson Scindia Morningstar

1000
00:51:20,190 --> 00:51:16,749
and that's why we have now two books on

1001
00:51:22,739 --> 00:51:20,200
Rolling Thunder the voice of Rolling

1002
00:51:25,410 --> 00:51:22,749
Thunder and then the shamanic powers of

1003
00:51:29,279 --> 00:51:25,420
Rolling Thunder and the voice of Rolling

1004
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:29,289
Thunder resolves from tape recorded

1005
00:51:35,940 --> 00:51:31,450
lectures that Mickey Hart had done over

1006
00:51:38,609 --> 00:51:35,950
the years Mickey had a dozen lectures

1007
00:51:41,309 --> 00:51:38,619
and we were able to take those lectures

1008
00:51:44,430 --> 00:51:41,319
and transcribe them and use rolling

1009
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:44,440
thunders exact words in the book so that

1010
00:51:51,269 --> 00:51:46,569
was a great gift for Mickey Hart it was

1011
00:51:53,339 --> 00:51:51,279
very far sizes of him to have a solid

1012
00:51:56,609 --> 00:51:53,349
engine or some pretty good solid equip

1013
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:56,619
them hmm and to take a recording of

1014
00:52:01,740 --> 00:52:00,880
rolling thunders lectures oh why so very

1015
00:52:05,550 --> 00:52:01,750
wise

1016
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:05,560
yes now his sons were they not involved

1017
00:52:14,849 --> 00:52:08,650
with the work the way that Rolling

1018
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:14,859
Thunder did it though I didn't hear

1019
00:52:20,609 --> 00:52:17,410
about question you have to repeat did

1020
00:52:23,070 --> 00:52:20,619
his sons have any idea or work with

1021
00:52:26,130 --> 00:52:23,080
Rolling Thunder in the same capacity as

1022
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:26,140
Rolling Thunder beneath the talents his

1023
00:52:31,740 --> 00:52:28,450
grandson only metal many sons are once

1024
00:52:37,170 --> 00:52:31,750
or twice yes young Rolling Thunder

1025
00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:37,180
actually has a couple of sons and

1026
00:52:41,790 --> 00:52:39,310
Buffalo horse is the one that we quote

1027
00:52:45,450 --> 00:52:41,800
extensively in the book and I've spent a

1028
00:52:48,740 --> 00:52:45,460
lot of time with Buffalo horse he

1029
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:48,750
doesn't feel called to be a healer and

1030
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:53,920
so he has taken another path and so

1031
00:52:58,890 --> 00:52:55,810
people who have studied with Rolling

1032
00:53:02,790 --> 00:52:58,900
Thunder extensively usually are not

1033
00:53:07,740 --> 00:53:02,800
members of his immediate family Kenneth

1034
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:07,750
Cohen is actually a Taoist practitioner

1035
00:53:13,020 --> 00:53:11,650
and he's been to visit Rolling Thunder

1036
00:53:15,359 --> 00:53:13,030
many times

1037
00:53:21,839 --> 00:53:15,369
Taoism of course is a very ancient

1038
00:53:24,359 --> 00:53:21,849
Chinese form of healing and Kenneth Cole

1039
00:53:26,010 --> 00:53:24,369
has written some beautiful material

1040
00:53:28,890 --> 00:53:26,020
about rolling fetters what he learned

1041
00:53:32,010 --> 00:53:28,900
and Rolling Thunder said that Chinese

1042
00:53:34,829 --> 00:53:32,020
Taoism comes closer than any other

1043
00:53:37,470 --> 00:53:34,839
tradition to what the Native Americans

1044
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:37,480
believed no kidding well we're gonna

1045
00:53:41,609 --> 00:53:38,770
have to take another very short

1046
00:53:43,620 --> 00:53:41,619
commercial break everybody so please

1047
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:43,630
stay tuned and we will be coming right

1048
00:53:50,190 --> 00:53:47,650
back this is supernatural girls radio so

1049
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:50,200
stay tuned everybody welcome back

1050
00:53:54,690 --> 00:53:52,570
everyone to supernatural girls radio I

1051
00:53:59,370 --> 00:53:54,700
am your host Patricia Baker I am here

1052
00:54:00,900 --> 00:53:59,380
with my lovely co-host PK and our guests

1053
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:00,910
were so pleased to have him with us

1054
00:54:07,530 --> 00:54:04,690
tonight we have dr. Stanley crook nur

1055
00:54:09,870 --> 00:54:07,540
and he has written a book with his

1056
00:54:13,170 --> 00:54:09,880
co-author and the book is called the

1057
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:13,180
shamanic powers of Rolling Thunder a

1058
00:54:18,779 --> 00:54:15,609
true legend the true

1059
00:54:20,999 --> 00:54:18,789
we were talking yes great you guys got

1060
00:54:22,620 --> 00:54:21,009
to get it's on amazon.com with all the

1061
00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:22,630
other books and they've been authored

1062
00:54:25,499 --> 00:54:24,609
and co-authored by dr. Crippen ER and

1063
00:54:29,549 --> 00:54:25,509
they're all great

1064
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:29,559
so dr. Crippen are off the air pique and

1065
00:54:36,029 --> 00:54:31,839
I were talking to you and you mentioned

1066
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:36,039
the connection with the pleiades so can

1067
00:54:42,029 --> 00:54:37,650
we talk about that a little bit

1068
00:54:45,690 --> 00:54:42,039
yes Rolling Thunder often wear a turbine

1069
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:45,700
and the turbine has seven stars on us

1070
00:54:50,670 --> 00:54:48,249
and they were arranged in the form of

1071
00:54:54,739 --> 00:54:50,680
the play of these the Seven Sisters that

1072
00:54:58,109 --> 00:54:54,749
you can see up in the heavens and

1073
00:55:01,099 --> 00:54:58,119
Rolling Thunder felt that some of the

1074
00:55:06,059 --> 00:55:01,109
wisdom that he got was sent from spirits

1075
00:55:09,779 --> 00:55:06,069
who home bases in the in the Pleiades

1076
00:55:14,370 --> 00:55:09,789
and so the play these were a very very

1077
00:55:17,849 --> 00:55:14,380
special constellation for him and this

1078
00:55:20,249 --> 00:55:17,859
is something that pops up in another

1079
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:20,259
number of folk traditions as well

1080
00:55:27,539 --> 00:55:24,160
and so there's something very special

1081
00:55:29,809 --> 00:55:27,549
about the plea of these and they are all

1082
00:55:32,489 --> 00:55:29,819
clustered very very closely together

1083
00:55:33,930 --> 00:55:32,499
even though wasn't actuality of course

1084
00:55:38,459 --> 00:55:33,940
there are probably millions of miles

1085
00:55:42,329 --> 00:55:38,469
apart that Rolling Thunder didn't wear

1086
00:55:48,660 --> 00:55:42,339
flashy clothes he would sometimes dress

1087
00:55:51,959 --> 00:55:48,670
up with a tan buckskin jacket for

1088
00:55:56,479 --> 00:55:51,969
special occasions but around the house

1089
00:56:01,709 --> 00:55:56,489
he would wear blue jeans or he'd wear

1090
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:01,719
simple clothes usually earth colors like

1091
00:56:12,180 --> 00:56:08,650
Browns and in light dreams and many

1092
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:12,190
people wonder why he didn't wear a more

1093
00:56:17,130 --> 00:56:14,890
Cherokee red because Cherokee red is a

1094
00:56:20,759 --> 00:56:17,140
very famous color associated with the

1095
00:56:21,870 --> 00:56:20,769
Cherokees and he said that would just be

1096
00:56:24,989 --> 00:56:21,880
too flashy

1097
00:56:27,809 --> 00:56:24,999
I knew Cherokee red very well because I

1098
00:56:29,260 --> 00:56:27,819
grew up in Wisconsin and I met Frank

1099
00:56:33,490 --> 00:56:29,270
Lloyd Wright the famous

1100
00:56:36,460 --> 00:56:33,500
architect a number of times and he was

1101
00:56:41,010 --> 00:56:36,470
also very very close to Native Americans

1102
00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:41,020
and in his buildings he would put a logo

1103
00:56:50,410 --> 00:56:43,910
someplace in the building which was a

1104
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:50,420
square in cherokee red and then FLW get

1105
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:53,810
into that square and so if you look at

1106
00:56:58,930 --> 00:56:55,490
frank lloyd wright's buildings you will

1107
00:57:02,740 --> 00:56:58,940
find out cherokee red square sort of

1108
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:02,750
demonstrating his respect and sympathy

1109
00:57:07,050 --> 00:57:04,610
and union with the Native American

1110
00:57:10,450 --> 00:57:07,060
people and these of American wisdom

1111
00:57:11,950 --> 00:57:10,460
interesting never know when things are

1112
00:57:14,980 --> 00:57:11,960
going to pop up and when these

1113
00:57:17,010 --> 00:57:14,990
connections are going to be made amazing

1114
00:57:19,690 --> 00:57:17,020
now where did the pleiades connection

1115
00:57:22,210 --> 00:57:19,700
did Rolling Thunder ever talk about the

1116
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:22,220
people from the stars ever having any

1117
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:30,890
contact with them really enjoy sitting

1118
00:57:36,610 --> 00:57:33,650
down around the campfire telling stories

1119
00:57:43,620 --> 00:57:36,620
or sitting down in his home telling

1120
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:43,630
stories and many of the stories were

1121
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:46,640
pretty fantastic and nature like the

1122
00:57:52,270 --> 00:57:49,450
stories about the plea of these of about

1123
00:57:55,330 --> 00:57:52,280
how the wisdom came down from the

1124
00:57:57,610 --> 00:57:55,340
Pleiades but he's also talked about his

1125
00:58:00,610 --> 00:57:57,620
past incarnations because he thought

1126
00:58:04,330 --> 00:58:00,620
that he had had several lights as he

1127
00:58:08,050 --> 00:58:04,340
felt that he knew Cochise he knew

1128
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:08,060
Geronimo he knew a number of Native

1129
00:58:13,870 --> 00:58:10,160
American leaders and sometimes he

1130
00:58:17,860 --> 00:58:13,880
thought for them and sometimes he was a

1131
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:17,870
messenger for them and you don't know

1132
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:19,490
what to make of all of this but he

1133
00:58:29,110 --> 00:58:21,890
certainly knew how to entertain his

1134
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:29,120
audience yeah I know

1135
00:58:32,770 --> 00:58:31,130
one time he when I was sitting there

1136
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:32,780
listening to him he was making fun of

1137
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:37,970
vegetarian he loved to do that and it

1138
00:58:42,550 --> 00:58:40,370
was funny because he was talking about

1139
00:58:45,850 --> 00:58:42,560
how the vegetarians

1140
00:58:48,610 --> 00:58:45,860
would come to Minnesota did not want to

1141
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:48,620
eat meat and he said that's fine because

1142
00:58:54,700 --> 00:58:50,810
it gets real cold out here

1143
00:58:57,010 --> 00:58:54,710
in order to stay warm we eat meat but if

1144
00:58:59,470 --> 00:58:57,020
you don't want to eat me that's ok with

1145
00:59:04,300 --> 00:58:59,480
us that's more meat for us and we'll

1146
00:59:08,590 --> 00:59:04,310
stay warm but you won't so you may have

1147
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:08,600
cleared it how he felt about that well

1148
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:16,010
he was a very good storyteller and one

1149
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:18,650
time I was with him in Germany he

1150
00:59:23,830 --> 00:59:20,810
actually was able to take a couple of

1151
00:59:27,610 --> 00:59:23,840
trips abroad and he was very very

1152
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:27,620
popular with the Germans and he once had

1153
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:34,960
a lecture in the city of Bonn Germany

1154
00:59:41,530 --> 00:59:38,570
and he filled up a whole auditorium

1155
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:41,540
people came from hundreds of kilometers

1156
00:59:49,930 --> 00:59:45,290
just to hear him give an evening lecture

1157
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:49,940
and then some of them stayed he did a

1158
00:59:54,900 --> 00:59:52,370
three-day workshop in which he would

1159
00:59:59,290 --> 00:59:54,910
talk about Native American herbs and

1160
01:00:03,600 --> 00:59:59,300
tell more Native American stories and I

1161
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:03,610
think that I think that he regretted

1162
01:00:10,990 --> 01:00:08,450
that he didn't spend more time learning

1163
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:11,000
about herbs and traditions and other

1164
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:14,090
countries he was very fond of Swedish

1165
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:16,930
folklore and Swedish herbs by the way

1166
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:19,760
and he also had many people from

1167
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:23,210
Scandinavia and from Germany come to

1168
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:25,370
visit so many people from England came

1169
01:00:31,630 --> 01:00:29,570
to visit him at Belafonte and and

1170
01:00:36,810 --> 01:00:31,640
occasionally he would have people from

1171
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:36,820
Latin America and every once in a while

1172
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:41,050
somebody from Asia he would haven't had

1173
01:00:47,980 --> 01:00:44,960
he enjoyed having martial artists from

1174
01:00:53,450 --> 01:00:47,990
China and Japan for example demonstrate

1175
01:00:58,970 --> 01:00:53,460
the martial arts and one of his visitor

1176
01:01:01,640 --> 01:00:58,980
was due to my intercession Kareem Calvi

1177
01:01:03,950 --> 01:01:01,650
who is a French actress mm-hmm

1178
01:01:08,420 --> 01:01:03,960
later made many many films in Hollywood

1179
01:01:14,599 --> 01:01:08,430
and the severe gastrointestinal problem

1180
01:01:17,260 --> 01:01:14,609
and he and and she could not find a

1181
01:01:20,750 --> 01:01:17,270
Hollywood doctor who could help her out

1182
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:20,760
and so I actually took her this is a

1183
01:01:24,740 --> 01:01:23,250
grueling thunder and he said this is

1184
01:01:28,310 --> 01:01:24,750
very very serious

1185
01:01:30,410 --> 01:01:28,320
and I don't know if I should do it or

1186
01:01:33,170 --> 01:01:30,420
not and then the spot I saw his wife

1187
01:01:33,950 --> 01:01:33,180
said well go she recognized who you're

1188
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:33,960
talking to

1189
01:01:38,300 --> 01:01:36,570
this is Kareem Calloway we saw one of

1190
01:01:47,150 --> 01:01:38,310
his movies one of her movies on

1191
01:01:50,329 --> 01:01:47,160
television last time so he agreed to do

1192
01:01:53,329 --> 01:01:50,339
a healing and he said well we're going

1193
01:01:56,450 --> 01:01:53,339
to have to have all of your friends come

1194
01:02:01,820 --> 01:01:56,460
and do the snake dance so we will live a

1195
01:02:04,460 --> 01:02:01,830
bonfire and we do two things we did this

1196
01:02:07,010 --> 01:02:04,470
very complicated sake dance that pull

1197
01:02:09,380 --> 01:02:07,020
the other to be together but before the

1198
01:02:12,260 --> 01:02:09,390
snake dance we did a sweat lodge and

1199
01:02:17,930 --> 01:02:12,270
that's not taking off our clothes and

1200
01:02:22,550 --> 01:02:17,940
going into the high Hubbard Lodge have

1201
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:22,560
fully fund rotate hop stones put them in

1202
01:02:27,470 --> 01:02:24,810
the middle of them pour water over and

1203
01:02:32,540 --> 01:02:27,480
within seconds the whole logs are

1204
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:32,550
silverstein and he had to breathe in the

1205
01:02:41,930 --> 01:02:36,210
steam and purify ourselves it was very

1206
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:41,940
very hot and after like 20 minutes then

1207
01:02:46,820 --> 01:02:44,880
we could come out and take a pose and

1208
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:46,830
cool though but then we have been going

1209
01:02:52,660 --> 01:02:49,770
back in again and we did this three

1210
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:52,670
times did the snake down some then we

1211
01:03:00,859 --> 01:02:56,730
and Korean cafe right in the middle of

1212
01:03:03,020 --> 01:03:00,869
the campfire the campfire and back of

1213
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:03,030
her of course have on top of her and

1214
01:03:08,300 --> 01:03:05,250
then warming feathers in

1215
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:08,310
there with the eagle feathers and he

1216
01:03:16,700 --> 01:03:12,240
would poke the eagle feathers parts of

1217
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:16,710
the skin that he felt even release now

1218
01:03:23,660 --> 01:03:20,610
she went to bed and she came out of bed

1219
01:03:27,590 --> 01:03:23,670
and she's felt well and she never had an

1220
01:03:30,820 --> 01:03:27,600
illness a young sense and amazing I was

1221
01:03:35,090 --> 01:03:30,830
a pretty good demonstration of her

1222
01:03:38,300 --> 01:03:35,100
recuperation and that is incredible

1223
01:03:40,430 --> 01:03:38,310
again and as you had said pique that he

1224
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:40,440
didn't think of himself as a shaman he

1225
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:42,480
thought of himself as a heal healer

1226
01:03:51,380 --> 01:03:50,160
mm-hmm amazing it is and go ahead now

1227
01:03:54,380 --> 01:03:51,390
I'm just gonna say what a fantastic

1228
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:54,390
individual he was it's a shame that it's

1229
01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:56,640
not in this point in time because

1230
01:04:03,970 --> 01:03:57,810
there's so much that we could have

1231
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:03,980
learned from him oh yes indeed and

1232
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:08,370
another question dr. Crippen ER and this

1233
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:10,170
is someone asked us actually in the

1234
01:04:14,570 --> 01:04:12,570
chatroom conte was saying is there

1235
01:04:16,850 --> 01:04:14,580
anybody that's gonna pick that was able

1236
01:04:19,700 --> 01:04:16,860
to pick up the torch and go on where he

1237
01:04:22,210 --> 01:04:19,710
left off the stones of course and the

1238
01:04:26,270 --> 01:04:22,220
sweat lodge were too hot to pick up and

1239
01:04:31,370 --> 01:04:26,280
we just kept pouring water on them

1240
01:04:34,130 --> 01:04:31,380
because they were a source of the steam

1241
01:04:36,590 --> 01:04:34,140
that was so necessary I've actually been

1242
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:36,600
in many many sweat lodges since that

1243
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:39,570
that was my first one and I have a

1244
01:04:44,930 --> 01:04:42,810
friend in Phoenix Arizona Michael Neal's

1245
01:04:47,810 --> 01:04:44,940
who actually lived with Rolling Thunder

1246
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:47,820
for a while and who has mastered the

1247
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:50,250
sweat lodge and he has actually written

1248
01:04:55,750 --> 01:04:53,520
stories in the book that you referred to

1249
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:55,760
the shamanic powers of Rolling Thunder

1250
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:00,000
my father was very unhappy that there

1251
01:05:07,580 --> 01:05:05,370
were Native American skeletons in the

1252
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:07,590
University Museum and the basement

1253
01:05:12,830 --> 01:05:10,290
nothing was being done with them they'd

1254
01:05:14,510 --> 01:05:12,840
served their purpose the anthropologists

1255
01:05:15,050 --> 01:05:14,520
had learned everything they needed to

1256
01:05:16,700 --> 01:05:15,060
learn

1257
01:05:22,010 --> 01:05:16,710
from them and they were very

1258
01:05:24,380 --> 01:05:22,020
unceremoniously put in boxes and so

1259
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:24,390
Rolling Thunder said that they deserved

1260
01:05:33,260 --> 01:05:28,400
the proper burial so this is one of the

1261
01:05:35,330 --> 01:05:33,270
memorable ceremonies as I recall because

1262
01:05:39,110 --> 01:05:35,340
Michael got permission from the

1263
01:05:41,870 --> 01:05:39,120
University to take the boxes of the

1264
01:05:44,210 --> 01:05:41,880
bones out of the University and Rolling

1265
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:44,220
Thunder found a sacred place in Sonoma

1266
01:05:52,670 --> 01:05:48,690
County and so the bones were were buried

1267
01:05:57,620 --> 01:05:52,680
with a great deal of respect and rolling

1268
01:06:00,050 --> 01:05:57,630
thunders prayers and some very very

1269
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:00,060
simple decorations like leaves and

1270
01:06:07,490 --> 01:06:04,530
feathers were put over the land and then

1271
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:07,500
of course the bones later this too

1272
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:10,530
degenerated and joined the land which

1273
01:06:16,490 --> 01:06:13,890
was the respectful way for them to go

1274
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:16,500
through the cycle not just staying in

1275
01:06:23,330 --> 01:06:20,610
the university basements right I believe

1276
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:23,340
he basically started a whole reinterment

1277
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:26,310
movement because I know that radiated

1278
01:06:30,050 --> 01:06:28,170
throughout the country and there are a

1279
01:06:33,260 --> 01:06:30,060
lot of reburial sino we had them in

1280
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:33,270
Connecticut also and slow turtle was the

1281
01:06:39,230 --> 01:06:37,170
one who made sure that those happened so

1282
01:06:45,980 --> 01:06:39,240
oh yeah that's a great thing you did

1283
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:45,990
yeah right he started other people first

1284
01:06:52,820 --> 01:06:49,530
helped out too but now more and more

1285
01:06:55,570 --> 01:06:52,830
there is a great respect being given for

1286
01:06:58,310 --> 01:06:55,580
the remains of Native Americans and

1287
01:07:01,640 --> 01:06:58,320
there's no sense in just keeping them

1288
01:07:03,410 --> 01:07:01,650
around you know anthropologists have

1289
01:07:05,210 --> 01:07:03,420
learned what they need from them and

1290
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:05,220
then you just dispose of them in a very

1291
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:12,210
very sacred way exactly a number of very

1292
01:07:20,510 --> 01:07:17,370
innovative procedures one of them had to

1293
01:07:26,210 --> 01:07:20,520
do with the destruction of the pine nut

1294
01:07:28,500 --> 01:07:26,220
trees in Nevada and Rolling Thunder said

1295
01:07:31,420 --> 01:07:28,510
to me well you know the

1296
01:07:34,690 --> 01:07:31,430
poor people need pine nuts as their a

1297
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:34,700
good source of protein and at night the

1298
01:07:40,450 --> 01:07:37,850
ranchers are coming in and they're using

1299
01:07:43,450 --> 01:07:40,460
bulldozers and they're digging up the

1300
01:07:45,970 --> 01:07:43,460
pine nut trees so that they come turn

1301
01:07:49,140 --> 01:07:45,980
this into cattle and it's against the

1302
01:07:53,500 --> 01:07:49,150
law but they just pay off the local

1303
01:07:55,780 --> 01:07:53,510
sheriff's so rolling another has a very

1304
01:08:02,920 --> 01:07:55,790
innovative way of dealing with that and

1305
01:08:06,430 --> 01:08:02,930
I was actually talking with Rolling

1306
01:08:09,550 --> 01:08:06,440
Thunder and so I charted the whole the

1307
01:08:15,460 --> 01:08:09,560
whole story the first thing he did was

1308
01:08:17,860 --> 01:08:15,470
to get a film crew to take movies at

1309
01:08:20,650 --> 01:08:17,870
night showing the bulldozers coming in

1310
01:08:29,309 --> 01:08:20,660
the tractors coming in and digging up

1311
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:29,319
the trees so - yeah and then he had his

1312
01:08:34,930 --> 01:08:32,480
assistants takes and and pour the sand

1313
01:08:39,660 --> 01:08:34,940
into the gas tank of the tractors on the

1314
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:42,130
taking pictures of that that was really

1315
01:08:50,020 --> 01:08:45,920
neat and then he had some others of his

1316
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:50,030
of his group fly to Washington DC with

1317
01:09:00,220 --> 01:08:56,210
the the with the film that tried to get

1318
01:09:03,370 --> 01:09:00,230
some support and most of the politicians

1319
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:03,380
weren't interested in that at all but

1320
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:06,530
senator Ted Kennedy was a great interest

1321
01:09:12,910 --> 01:09:10,640
so Senator Henry Jackson and they wanted

1322
01:09:15,539 --> 01:09:12,920
to do something about it and the

1323
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:15,549
president at the time was Richard Nixon

1324
01:09:22,090 --> 01:09:19,250
and Nixon with all of his faults he was

1325
01:09:26,260 --> 01:09:22,100
very good to Native Americans because he

1326
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:26,270
is a Native American coach at school and

1327
01:09:32,579 --> 01:09:28,970
he issued an executive order stopping

1328
01:09:36,700 --> 01:09:32,589
the ruination of the land back in Nevada

1329
01:09:39,820 --> 01:09:36,710
so that was a beautiful example of how

1330
01:09:42,340 --> 01:09:39,830
Rolling Thunder did something through

1331
01:09:45,490 --> 01:09:42,350
peaceful means and

1332
01:09:51,829 --> 01:09:45,500
intelligence and through cleverness

1333
01:09:56,690 --> 01:09:51,839
instead of using guns and using force to

1334
01:10:00,200 --> 01:09:56,700
try to and to try to stop what was being

1335
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:00,210
done and that was a him yeah that was

1336
01:10:07,610 --> 01:10:02,370
rolling thunders way to use your wits

1337
01:10:09,470 --> 01:10:07,620
instead of using your fists has anyone

1338
01:10:13,870 --> 01:10:09,480
picked up the torch to follow through

1339
01:10:17,390 --> 01:10:13,880
with the work he's done had anybody what

1340
01:10:19,550 --> 01:10:17,400
picked up the torch to go back and

1341
01:10:23,150 --> 01:10:19,560
continue the work that Rolling Thunder

1342
01:10:25,730 --> 01:10:23,160
had done I started yes yes there there

1343
01:10:28,220 --> 01:10:25,740
are certainly a number of activists

1344
01:10:31,010 --> 01:10:28,230
today who are doing very good work and

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01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:31,020
I'll tell you the accumulation of a lot

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01:10:37,630 --> 01:10:34,110
of their work is in the Museum of the

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01:10:40,250 --> 01:10:37,640
American Indian of the Washington DC I

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01:10:43,310 --> 01:10:40,260
then there are several times and they

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01:10:46,820 --> 01:10:43,320
have a rotating exhibit because they

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01:10:49,580 --> 01:10:46,830
have oh they have at least 100 different

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01:10:51,860 --> 01:10:49,590
tribes represented and they are

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01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:51,870
collecting artifacts from both North

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01:10:56,750 --> 01:10:53,970
American and South American Indian

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01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:56,760
tribes and it's a beautiful exhibit its

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01:11:04,120 --> 01:10:58,800
interactive people can learn a lot about

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01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:04,130
Native Americans and I think that the

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01:11:08,750 --> 01:11:06,810
Rolling Thunder deserves some credit for

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01:11:11,690 --> 01:11:08,760
that museum because he helped raise

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01:11:13,670 --> 01:11:11,700
people's consciousness about how Native

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01:11:16,430 --> 01:11:13,680
Americans need to be remembered and

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01:11:22,670 --> 01:11:16,440
about how their work needs to be well

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01:11:25,250 --> 01:11:22,680
remembered also is but is there anybody

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01:11:26,750 --> 01:11:25,260
that's able to do what he was able to do

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01:11:30,410 --> 01:11:26,760
I mean that's the thing that I don't

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01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:30,420
hear in this I hear people are talking

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01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:33,120
about the legacy but I don't hear that

1367
01:11:40,910 --> 01:11:37,650
there's another healer like him going

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01:11:45,950 --> 01:11:40,920
forward well you know first of all he

1369
01:11:51,020 --> 01:11:45,960
was one of a kind secondly I have known

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01:11:55,660 --> 01:11:51,030
some outstanding healers and one of them

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01:12:05,180 --> 01:12:02,060
she was actually living in the Southwest

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01:12:10,730 --> 01:12:05,190
United States and had a medicine camp

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01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:10,740
and I was sending her combat veterans

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01:12:15,140 --> 01:12:12,090
who are suffering from post-traumatic

1375
01:12:22,100 --> 01:12:15,150
stress disorder because she has a

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01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:22,110
special treatment for them and again one

1377
01:12:27,310 --> 01:12:24,480
of my students wrote her dissertation on

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01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:27,320
fawn journey hawk and so we do have a

1379
01:12:33,530 --> 01:12:31,650
record of what fawn did she did not know

1380
01:12:35,540 --> 01:12:33,540
Rolling Thunder but she was certainly in

1381
01:12:38,660 --> 01:12:35,550
the Rolling Thunder tradition of using

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01:12:42,650 --> 01:12:38,670
intelligence and using ceremonies mm-hmm

1383
01:12:49,730 --> 01:12:42,660
what father would do with a soldier who

1384
01:12:54,110 --> 01:12:49,740
would head trauma would be to take one

1385
01:12:57,530 --> 01:12:54,120
of her out-of-body trips back to Vietnam

1386
01:13:00,680 --> 01:12:57,540
Afghanistan Iraq wherever the trauma had

1387
01:13:06,910 --> 01:13:00,690
occurred and often the trouble is

1388
01:13:10,490 --> 01:13:06,920
connected to the soldiers killing of a

1389
01:13:12,530 --> 01:13:10,500
child of a family whatever and the

1390
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:12,540
soldier just did that at the course of

1391
01:13:20,350 --> 01:13:15,570
war but son felt guilty about it and so

1392
01:13:23,870 --> 01:13:20,360
she begged the spirit of the dead people

1393
01:13:26,930 --> 01:13:23,880
to release their power over the soldier

1394
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:26,940
and so that he could live a normal life

1395
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:30,210
and then he would vow to do something in

1396
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:32,370
honor of the people that he had filled

1397
01:13:41,330 --> 01:13:35,520
and so this is sort of a reconciliation

1398
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:41,340
done on the spiritual plane and bon

1399
01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:43,730
journée Hawk had a special set of

1400
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:48,480
healing stones that were very very

1401
01:13:56,300 --> 01:13:50,640
beautiful and they were in geometric

1402
01:13:58,070 --> 01:13:56,310
shapes and sometimes people would steal

1403
01:13:59,960 --> 01:13:58,080
them from her and she that doesn't

1404
01:14:02,960 --> 01:13:59,970
matter they'll come back and sure enough

1405
01:14:05,540 --> 01:14:02,970
they came back and I've seen some of

1406
01:14:08,330 --> 01:14:05,550
these stones and she gave me permission

1407
01:14:10,700 --> 01:14:08,340
to give a set of those stones

1408
01:14:13,550 --> 01:14:10,710
and put them in the museum in Canada

1409
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:13,560
which is specializing and artifacts of

1410
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:18,090
this type and so there have been other

1411
01:14:22,430 --> 01:14:20,610
people like Rolling Thunder but like you

1412
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:22,440
mentioned he was one of a kind and

1413
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:25,650
that's a great way of putting this that

1414
01:14:28,970 --> 01:14:27,810
he was one of a kind but here's another

1415
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:28,980
question

1416
01:14:33,649 --> 01:14:30,810
dr. Crippen er and again we're going to

1417
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:33,659
go back to aliens

1418
01:14:37,580 --> 01:14:36,000
ETS whatever you want to call them this

1419
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:37,590
is from oculus who's saying what about

1420
01:14:42,850 --> 01:14:39,090
space visitors

1421
01:14:48,020 --> 01:14:42,860
what did Rolling Thunder think of that

1422
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:48,030
what did he think of what aliens space

1423
01:14:54,350 --> 01:14:50,130
visitors ETS

1424
01:14:57,010 --> 01:14:54,360
whatever you want to call them visitors

1425
01:15:01,850 --> 01:14:59,959
did he have an opinion on that or did he

1426
01:15:03,589 --> 01:15:01,860
have an experience on that that you

1427
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:03,599
could share we only have about a minute

1428
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:07,440
left but oh good heavens no I would say

1429
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:09,449
rolling rolling founder was very

1430
01:15:15,589 --> 01:15:12,210
broad-minded and he thought if somebody

1431
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:15,599
was doing good work they had his

1432
01:15:23,930 --> 01:15:18,570
blessing and whether it was a male or a

1433
01:15:33,740 --> 01:15:23,940
female native or non-native he was very

1434
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:33,750
very blessing to them oh that's nice

1435
01:15:39,370 --> 01:15:36,690
well that's a wonderful way to be and I

1436
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:39,380
think again his lack of ego as pique

1437
01:15:44,270 --> 01:15:41,489
identified that right at the beginning

1438
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:44,280
of the show was paramount and his

1439
01:15:49,820 --> 01:15:47,489
ability to do the wonderful and great

1440
01:15:52,939 --> 01:15:49,830
work that he did and again his life was

1441
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:52,949
not without some challenges because he

1442
01:15:58,220 --> 01:15:55,050
was still human and we all face those

1443
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:58,230
great loss at certain times and things

1444
01:16:03,020 --> 01:16:00,800
like that but but he kept his focus on

1445
01:16:05,540 --> 01:16:03,030
helping the world helping the earth

1446
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:05,550
helping people and it's wonderful that

1447
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:07,489
you've written this great book

1448
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:10,170
commemorates everything that he's thank

1449
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:13,290
you so much again thank you for all the

1450
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:14,610
bureau knowledge about the Rolling

1451
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:18,090
Thunder oh it's our pleasure to be with

1452
01:16:21,510 --> 01:16:20,130
you tonight into again honor his memory

1453
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:21,520
and

1454
01:16:27,690 --> 01:16:24,970
they inspire other people to follow some

1455
01:16:30,750 --> 01:16:27,700
of his teachings as we move forward in

1456
01:16:32,810 --> 01:16:30,760
this world today dr. Craig thank you so

1457
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:32,820
much for being on the show I know you've

1458
01:16:45,150 --> 01:16:35,890
you've been so patient with us and

1459
01:16:46,500 --> 01:16:45,160
waiting for your dinner date we've been

1460
01:16:49,770 --> 01:16:46,510
very fortunate to have you with us

1461
01:16:59,150 --> 01:16:49,780
tonight okay goodbye an hour is rolling

1462
01:17:01,590 --> 01:16:59,160
sighs II would say ho thank you so much

1463
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:01,600
so now next week

1464
01:17:07,740 --> 01:17:04,810
DK we've got a first on the show yes we

1465
01:17:10,110 --> 01:17:07,750
do following up dr. Crippen ER and the

1466
01:17:13,710 --> 01:17:10,120
legend of Rolling Thunder with Warren

1467
01:17:16,170 --> 01:17:13,720
Caylor he is a physical medium and we're

1468
01:17:19,140 --> 01:17:16,180
gonna find out all about what a physical

1469
01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:19,150
medium is what they do it's different

1470
01:17:23,790 --> 01:17:21,040
from anyone else we've had on the show

1471
01:17:26,580 --> 01:17:23,800
before so this is going to be a very

1472
01:17:28,350 --> 01:17:26,590
very exciting time coming up so make

1473
01:17:31,140 --> 01:17:28,360
sure everybody that you're following us

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01:17:41,460 --> 01:17:38,230
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01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:41,470
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01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:43,090
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